(01-10-2018 02:43 PM)The ferret Wrote: hmmm 101 rwhp. 2 more hp than I figured (I figured 99) and about the same max torque as a CB only at 1500 rpms higher.
Don't beat yourself up too much about that, I doubt anyone will notice, lol!
Besides, you could do a run on another dyno and be right, or the same dyno, different day.
About 100 is real good number.
My buddy owns one (yep, he's an old fart like the rest of us) and says it real lively.
(01-11-2018 07:18 AM)Bheezy27403 Wrote: If the Kawi lost that radiator there would be one in my garage. Rootbeer and orange please.
They could but the bike wouldn't run very long.
(01-10-2018 07:43 PM)The ferret Wrote: (01-10-2018 07:06 PM)the_undecider Wrote: There is certainly more to a motorcycle than a dyno chart
True indeed.
This looks like a pretty nice bike. It sounds great, 70 pounds lighter than a CB, about 20% more hp and the same torque. All good.
Technically though, other than a retro paint job, this bike mechanically will compete with the new CB1000R Neo Sport. Wonder how it will stack up against that? Ie if the CB1000R weighs the same, but has 40 more horsepower, has modes, amd costs the same, will people buy it or because of the paint, buy the Kaw?
I don't think so. The Z900R is the direct competition to the CB1000R, but without the electronic nanny.
I think overall, being a Z900R owner myself, the Honda will be the better overall real-world bike in terms of spec-sheet features (as in commuting, touring, and hard-core sport riding) but it is a LOT more money.
The Z900R is (as we already know) $8799 with ABS (which is excellent, by the way). The CB1000R will probably come in at about $14,000. It's more of a direct competitor with the FZ10.
So in this case Kawasaki has been pretty smart, manufacturing in Thailand, making a killer engine and great handler but keeping costs down.
No doubt the CB1000R is a premium motorcycle in every respect but where the rubber hits the road, it's going to be a tough sell with any cost-conscious buyer.
I'll be the first to take a look, though. I like the bike a lot, based on the numbers and images.
(01-10-2018 07:06 PM)the_undecider Wrote: I bet there is more power locked up in that Euro4 tuning just like Brock said. After riding the 900RS, I can't say I'd be wanting for more. It would absolutely stomp a CB1100 at any RPM. There is certainly more to a motorcycle than a dyno chart, but I am pretty dang hot and bothered by this new Kawi.
Yep, but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.
They are two very, very different kinds of motorcycles.
Getting back to whether the CB1100 is or could be a good sport bike, I still say yes and think I demonstrated that once or twice before I sold mine, at least to myself, lol.
The Z900RS is actually a real sportbike with an upright riding position, wrapped up to look mild-mannered. The engine, suspension, brakes, and cornering clearance say "sport bike".
Once more, look at the "superbikes" of the late 1970s and early '80s. There's your DNA for the Z900RS.