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Cycle World December '14 Comparison
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HikerToo Offline
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Post: #11
RE: Cycle World December '14 Comparison
Well, even since having my ECU flashed to remove restrictions, I have only went over 125MPH once, and that was a test to make sure the limit was lifted, I do appreciate the low and mid gains I got with the ECU reflash, not sure how much I'll ever need the top speed though......
I do need my Cycle Worlds to arrive a little quicker though, did they mention that!
11-10-2014 08:40 AM
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wingman1946 Offline
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Post: #12
RE: Oregon spring ride report
There ARE 750 K models beyond the K1 to K9. I think you need to do some more research on Honda CB750 history. There are indeed CB750K models post 1979. In fact the 79 cb750K boat tail is one of the most collectable of the DOHC models.The magazines of 1979 all display pictures of the 1979 750K Honda with the K showing prominently. As for your personal appraisal of the CB750 values I would suggest that any Honda 750 purchased at a price of $1500 or less is more likely to be either a parts bike or one needing expensive work, rather than (in great shape).
PS: the side cover of the 79 actually has a large RED K after the 750!!

(11-09-2014 10:18 PM)EmptySea Wrote:  First off, Wingman, I think the article is inthe December CycleWorld. Second, if it is the same article to which you are referring, I would suggest to you CW saying "We wish Honda had channeled more of the CB750's performance heritage" is not the same thing as saying they came to the same conclusion that the CB750 is "the better bike". Glad you like your 750. I do, too. Great bike, it is. Better, though? Nah...just different. Hello
I guess we just see it differently.

2000 Harley Sportster
1979 Honda CB750K Boatail
(This post was last modified: 11-10-2014 10:05 AM by wingman1946.)
11-10-2014 09:57 AM
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EmptySea Offline
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Post: #13
RE: Oregon spring ride report
Yup. We see it differently.

While not usually one for arguing matters of taste (although you have changed the discussion to one of quality), I feel compelled to inform you that CW really likes the CB1100 and, at least according to one review, may just feel that it is better than the CB750 to which it pays homage. So, here are a couple of quotes from them:

From CW, November 12, 2012
"A blast from the past, except a whole lot better—and it’s finally coming to the U.S.!"

From CW, February 5, 2014
"Any Cycle World reader can tell you that we really like the Honda CB1100, even naming this classic-looking throwback machine the Best Standard in our most recent Ten Best awards. About the only problem we had with the air-cooled Honda was that it lacked a sixth ratio in its especially smooth-shifting gearbox."

MTC

"If you can’t go home again, at least you can enjoy the ride” — Peter Egan


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2013 CB1100 abs
11-10-2014 11:29 AM
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ClassicVW Offline
High Mileage

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Post: #14
RE: Oregon spring ride report
(11-10-2014 09:57 AM)wingman1946 Wrote:  There ARE 750 K models beyond the K1 to K9. I think you need to do some more research on Honda CB750 history. There are indeed CB750K models post 1979. In fact the 79 cb750K boat tail is one of the most collectable of the DOHC models.The magazines of 1979 all display pictures of the 1979 750K Honda with the K showing prominently. As for your personal appraisal of the CB750 values I would suggest that any Honda 750 purchased at a price of $1500 or less is more likely to be either a parts bike or one needing expensive work, rather than (in great shape).
PS: the side cover of the 79 actually has a large RED K after the 750!!

I guess we just see it differently.

I make no endorsement of the various seller's statements, but a quick search on ebay does show many 750K models have sold in running and rideable condition for between $800 to $2000. I have recently bought and sold a few Honda CBs from the 1970s and also find those figures to be in line with the market.

It's very nice that you are completely happy with your 1979 Honda, and I hope your comment was not meant to get a rise out of us, who after all, are all CB1100 owners. I also do enjoy the older Hondas, but IMO, they don't hold up 100% to what a new CB offers. Yes, there are many sources for parts for old 750s, but many owners would rather be out riding instead of constantly keeping one eye open on web site parts sources, and they aren't mechanically inclined enough, or just don't want to be wrenching to keep an old classic in top condition. After all, most dealerships won't work on anything that old and those owners that can't do it themselves, also might be hard pressed to find a good independent mechanic in their home area.

--George
[i]"The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day that you find out why" [/i]-- Mark Twain
11-10-2014 11:58 AM
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Ridem32 Offline
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Oregon spring ride report
Hey wingman yes honda did make and call the 79 model CB750k I'm just saying that in 79 when the DOHC 750k came out honda sales dropped very badly. Even the SOHC 750F models did not and still don't sell very well. I have the 14 model CB1100 deluxe and I love it! One of the best bikes I have ever owned but that's how I feel about the 14 deluxe! Even though the new CB1100 are not good selling bikes does not make them bad bikes. We all wanted honda to build a bike like the CB750 and honda did that. And to me honda did a great job building this bike. At least to me. The 69 thru 75 models of CB750k are still worth more money than any CB made. As far as the 79 models I can buy very nice bikes for around $1,500. Many for sale for $2,000 and they do not sell. Give them another 10 to 15 years and they should go up in price.
11-10-2014 12:07 PM
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wingman1946 Offline
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Post: #16
RE: Oregon spring ride report
Hey I'm not trying to say any bike is bad. For myself I will ride anything that will start, and have. I guess I too had high hopes for the 1100 but was very disappointed. I road in on an old 750 that would run rings around the 1100 and handle better too. I had fully expected to purchase it and take it home but just couldn't justify the cost. Aren't they up near 15k now? I too have reinvigorated a few Honda fours and had good success selling them. I think it will be a cold day before I sell the 750 boatail. And I guess yours and my sales areas must be way different. When I sell one the tires, seals gaskets even paint if needed, cables and fluids are all new. As well the valves, carbs, charging system, forks and brakes all in perfect order. And you won't be buying one of them for 2k. Or needing parts for quite some time. It is a lot of work but I like seeing a CB saved for another decade or two. As for the older single cam 750s the 69 was what got me hooked on the cb to start with. There are a lot of collectors for those but unfortunately a lot of choppers and bobbers as well.

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1979 Honda CB750K Boatail
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11-10-2014 01:06 PM
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Ridem32 Offline
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Oregon spring ride report
Wingman I bet your 79 750 is a very nice bike. But by no means will it out run nor out handle any stock 13 or 14 model CB1100 up to 112mph. ( they have speed limiters) but mine don't have a speed limiter and from 0 to ever how fast your bike will run my 14 CB1100 will be out in front of your bike. Like I said u might have a very nice 750 but it's still a 750. Cycle world should of road tested a unrestricted CB1100 but they used a stock (112mph) bike. Smile

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11-10-2014 01:30 PM
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wingman1946 Offline
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RE: Oregon spring ride report
I can't comment on a bike that has been fiddled with. I was comparing my stock 750 to the stock 1100 that I rode.... And yes I CAN run away from the one I test rode. Of course one could fiddle with the 750 too but that isn't what this conversation is about.

Lets see they said..... suspension not up to speed,..... Rev limiters neutering it,..... wished for the performance heritage of the 750,..... (remember they are on an 1100),.....put the cb 1100 on a short leash considering the engine potential,..... it was a bit benign and lacking character. You don't have to read between the lines to much. That is the worst review I have ever seen a magazine willing to write about any bike.

2000 Harley Sportster
1979 Honda CB750K Boatail
(This post was last modified: 11-10-2014 02:40 PM by wingman1946.)
11-10-2014 02:39 PM
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The ferret Offline
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Post: #19
RE: Cycle World December '14 Comparison
Just finished reading the article, and you have to wonder how the bike would have faired in this and the other comparison tests I have read, if it had 100 rwhp, or was unrestricted at it's current HP.


Not that that matters to me, the bike is perfect as is. Thumbs Up

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11-10-2014 02:50 PM
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ClassicVW Offline
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Post: #20
RE: Oregon spring ride report
I've probably owned 12-15 Honda's, BMWs and a Harley since 2000 and I'd say the CB1100's suspension would hold it's own with the others, and some of the others had a list price of over 23K new. True, it's not the best sport bike suspension, but for what it is, and what the people who bought it ask it to do, it's absolutely fine. Yes, anyone could upgrade any bike with some newer more expensive shocks and see an improvement. And some of the other comments you list have me scratching my head and wondering just what the CW reviewer wanted the CB to be.

If it's not for you, that's fine. But to continue to pick at what you feel are its shortcomings and repeat them over and over here is a bit insulting to all of us. You'd make more friends if you went over to a Ninja forum and complained about it there.

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