popularity of the CB1100?

[ingobohn]

(09-04-2016 02:11 PM)Captain Klutz Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 11:59 PM)ingobohn Wrote:  Honda Germany is currently advertising a special "test ride opportunity". Among other bikes, you can also subscribe for a test ride with the CB 1100 EX, get a free t-shirt and a 2.000 EUR discount if you buy a CB 1100 EX! Seems like Honda wants to get rid of the CB 1100 EX.
Could mean both: Either that the successor is on the horizon - or that the CB 1100 EX will soon be discontinued.

It seems the CB1100 will be discontinued in all of Europe (EU) due to the EURO 4 requirements an air/oil-cooled CB can not fulfill. This means all dealers must sell theirs until end of December and all customers must register their machine in 2016.

If you can read German, here's an article by Heise magazine "Euro 4 and what it means for motorcycles":
http://www.heise.de/autos/artikel/Die-Eu...12359.html

Basically, air cooled engines and EURO 4 are no contradiction. There are still some of such engines (and bikes) which fulfill EURO 4, but I guess the effort to bring the CB 1100 up to EURO 4 is simply not worth it - from Hondas perspective and how often the CB 1100 is sold in Germany.

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(09-04-2016 10:33 PM)Riko Wrote:  Dunno why you make such conclusions and on what facts, but the cb1100 is euro4 compliant, despite being air cooled.

No, it isn't - at least not the CB 1100 I own (2013).
But you are right there are some other EURO 4 compatible air cooled engines like the boxer of BMW R nineT or Scrambler.

[Riko]

(09-05-2016 06:15 AM)ingobohn Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 02:11 PM)Captain Klutz Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 11:59 PM)ingobohn Wrote:  Honda Germany is currently advertising a special "test ride opportunity". Among other bikes, you can also subscribe for a test ride with the CB 1100 EX, get a free t-shirt and a 2.000 EUR discount if you buy a CB 1100 EX! Seems like Honda wants to get rid of the CB 1100 EX.
Could mean both: Either that the successor is on the horizon - or that the CB 1100 EX will soon be discontinued.

It seems the CB1100 will be discontinued in all of Europe (EU) due to the EURO 4 requirements an air/oil-cooled CB can not fulfill. This means all dealers must sell theirs until end of December and all customers must register their machine in 2016.

If you can read German, here's an article by Heise magazine "Euro 4 and what it means for motorcycles":
http://www.heise.de/autos/artikel/Die-Eu...12359.html

Basically, air cooled engines and EURO 4 are no contradiction. There are still some of such engines (and bikes) which fulfill EURO 4, but I guess the effort to bring the CB 1100 up to EURO 4 is simply not worth it - from Hondas perspective and how often the CB 1100 is sold in Germany.

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(09-04-2016 10:33 PM)Riko Wrote:  Dunno why you make such conclusions and on what facts, but the cb1100 is euro4 compliant, despite being air cooled.

No, it isn't - at least not the CB 1100 I own (2013).
But you are right there are some other EURO 4 compatible air cooled engines like the boxer of BMW R nineT or Scrambler.

Maybe its the 2014DLX/EX models that are compliant only...but i cannot imagine that since the engine is identical...
Or maybe they added some emissions rated components to make it compliant, wich could explain why only the EX models suffer from idle issues.

But as you could read in the 2 articles I posted, the CB is euro4 compliant

[Riko]

FYI
http://world.honda.com/CB1100/engineer-talk/episode5/

"The oil-cooling structure around the spark plug seating was a headache, and since we didn't want the CB1100 to be one-off model, we considered not only Japan-domestic emission regulations, but Euro4 regulations for 2016."

[Captain Klutz]

(09-05-2016 08:04 AM)Riko Wrote:  FYI
http://world.honda.com/CB1100/engineer-talk/episode5/

"The oil-cooling structure around the spark plug seating was a headache, and since we didn't want the CB1100 to be one-off model, we considered not only Japan-domestic emission regulations, but Euro4 regulations for 2016."

What was the result of the consideration?

[curlyjoe]

Here's an interesting article + table showing EU emissions requirements.

Evaporative emissions control has been in place in the US for many years and the CB1100 has this system in place for those CBs sold in the US.

If you are interested in US EPA testing data for motorcycles, you can download a spreadsheet for each year manufacturers submit a model for testing.

US EPA standards for motorcycle emissions are here.

I couldn't find the California emission standards which I think are more stringent than the EPA requirements. I did find somewhere that 16 states have adopted the California air resource board (CARB) emissions requirements but I do know that Massachusetts is one of them.

[Riko]

(09-06-2016 09:11 AM)Captain Klutz Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 08:04 AM)Riko Wrote:  FYI
http://world.honda.com/CB1100/engineer-talk/episode5/

"The oil-cooling structure around the spark plug seating was a headache, and since we didn't want the CB1100 to be one-off model, we considered not only Japan-domestic emission regulations, but Euro4 regulations for 2016."

What was the result of the consideration?

finally i can reply with facts: http://www.hondaprokevin.com/2017-honda-...0-cb1100rs

last sentence of the review: The CB1100 RS engine is Euro 4 compliant

[Cormanus]

And will the RS engine be different from the EX engine? I doubt it somehow. Looks like it's good to go in Europe.

[Riko]

No its the same engine, with differences on the inlet and the exhaust.

That's what I've been saying, it already was compliant.